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22岁科比01季后赛有多逆天,客场场均35.8分,若有季后赛MVP当是他?

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22岁科比01季后赛有多逆天,客场场均35.8分,若有季后赛MVP当是他? 

22-year old Kobe Bryant in the 2001 Playoffs (self.nba)

22岁科比在2001年季后赛里的体现

不久前我就说了同样的观点,沙克也许在当时是联盟里最棒的球员,但是科比是2001年季后赛中最出色的。

All of the teams were 50 win teams

 一切他们击败的球队都是50胜以上的。

科比和沙克是史上最好的2人组。

Shaq probably deserved the finals MVP, but if there was a playoffs MVP like hockey kobe would have deserved it

第一轮:开拓者(50-32)/4.32 SRS/1568 ELO

"He's not just going up and down the court anymore, playing on talent," Popovich said.He's using his ability and playing wisely. He knows what time of the game it is, what the situation is and where his teammates are. That takes time to learn. In terms of development, he's really made a big leap."

[–]WarriorsNeatly 16 指標 4小時前 

FINALS: Philadelphia 76ers (56-26) / 3.64 SRS / 1592 ELO

With 93 points in consecutive games, Bryant was drawing a comparison with the greatest big-game player ever -- Michael Jordan.

“科比现在在场上不再仅仅只是飞天遁地的靠天赋打球了,”波波维奇说道。“他在使用自己的能力, 打得很伶俐。他知道比赛现在进行到什么程度了,球队现在的处境和队友们的状态如何。抵达这一切需要 时间去学习。至于先进这方面,科比真的发生了质的飞跃。”

They needed each other and wouldn't have won without the other. No point arguing with anyone on the extremes. All your data and facts will just be thrown out the window. Everyone who is actually reasonable is avoiding threads like these.

沙克:胜利贡献值3.7,每48分钟的胜利贡献值0.26,个人胜负值为7.2(使用率32.1%)

沙克:每场比赛能发生37.9分(得分加助攻)

Shaq: 27-16-3 (50% TS) + 1 BPG / 113 ORTG / 99 DRTG

[–]Hawks Bandwagonlilmigosvert 27 指標 3小時前 

Shaq: 33-17-2 (59% TS) + 3 BPG / 116 ORTG / 97 DRTG

And not even mentioning a cool 37/7/7 against the Pop and TD Spurs nonetheless... They never really had an answer for him tbh

[–]LakersKobe7477 115 指標 5小時前 

沙克:33-17-2(真实命中率59%)+3盖帽/进攻效率116/防守效率97

"I knew what I was saying," Grant said.

[–]Lakers3_angelo 11 指標 4小時前 

WCF: San Antonio Spurs (58-24) / 7.92 SRS / 1713 ELO

Wasn't the 15-1 run also the hardest Road by some uncommonly used metric?

"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said.That's the greatest player I ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game. Yet I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be a playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. Kobe has to set up the offense, read the defense, make others happy and he's doing a great job of it. Kobe has become the floor leader on a basketball team that was looking for that player who can not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker who can consistently make big plays at critical times. It was very important for Kobe to step into that role he was envisioned at."

这是从那年季后赛中引用的一些论调/事实。

"I can't believe how much better Kobe is, scoring, defensively, giving us open shots," Derek Fisher said.We all feed off him."

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沙克值得上FMVP,但是如果有像冰球比赛那样的季后赛MVP的话,科比也值得上。

Kobe: 35-9-4 (59% TS) + 1 SPG + 1 BPG / 120 ORTG / 104 DRTG

Kobe: 43.1 points produced per game (points + assists)

 每一轮的具体数据

Shaq: 3.7 WS, .26 WS/48, 7.2 BPM (32.1% usage rate)

科比:场均25-4-8(真实命中率57%)+2抢断/进攻效率122/防守效率98

O'Neal said it wasn't the points but the way Bryant scored them that was so impressive.

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[–]GOATofALLtime50 20 指標 5小時前 

你知道我总会赞关于科比的帖子。

科比:场均25-7-6(真实命中率51%)+1抢断+1盖帽/进攻效率104/防守效率103

In the playoffs, O'Neal is averaging 34.0 points at home and 23.6 points on the road. The discrepancy would be of greater concern if Bryant weren't so up for the challenge of the road. It's one other department in which Bryant can handle whatever chores Shaq leaves unfinished. Kobe is averaging 28.2 points at home and 35.8 on the road.

Yea that sucks. I just wish Kobe got one finals MVP in that three peat. He was annoyed and tried to get it against pistons but that didn't work out

Agreed. Everyone who was around at the time knew that after the first ring, Kobe was pretty much 1B to Shaq's 1A -- both were undoubtedly top five players in the league. Neither player gotcarried". It was really all about match-ups. Kobe would dominate the Western Conference and Shaq would dominate the Finals in large part because big men in the East were terrible at the time. But when people see Shaq's 3 Finals MVPs, they immediately discredit Kobe's playoff efforts which is a damn shame.

I made this same argument not too long ago, Shaq may have been the best player in the league but kobe was the best player in the 2001 playoffs

湖蜜:

沙克:场均30-15-3(真实命中率56%)+2盖帽

[–]Lakers BandwagonMiopTop 325 指標 7小時前 

We took advantage of matchups

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[–]CelticsDjango-Beans 135 指標 4小時前 

霍勒斯-格兰特连续的把科比称为“23号,”正是乔丹穿的号码。这并不是个失误,“我知道自己在说什么,”格兰特说道。

[–]LakersTheingloriousak2 286 指標 7小時前 

FIRST ROUND: Portland Trailblazers (50-32) / 4.32 SRS / 1568 ELO

Shaq: 33-16-5 (58% TS) + 3 BPG / 115 ORTG / 101 DRTG

It's the best 1-2 combo ever

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[–]Lakers3_angelo 49 指標 7小時前 

Kobe: 25-7-6 (51% TS) + 1 SPG + 1 BPG / 104 ORTG / 103 DRTG

He's what basically was the game changer causing the sweep. Duncan could come close to Shaq, but Spurs had no one like Kobe at all. Shaq was the better player, and IF you had to say someone was doing the carrying it would be Shaq, not Kobe, but really there was no carrying being done. Kobe was a motherfucker.

[–]SpursLaquonTreadwell 82 指標 7小時前 

Kobe is basically the reason why the Spurs got Bowen.

Did you hear what Gregg Popovich said after Bryant and the Lakers used Pop's Spurs to mop the courts at the Alamodome and Staples Center in the Western Conference Finals?

西部半决赛:国王(55-27)/6.07 SRS/1669 ELO

西部决赛:马刺(58-24)/7.92 SRS/1713 ELO

"When he took over, it's what Michael always used to do," said Spurs reserve and ex-Bull Steve Kerr.A team would start to come back and make a run, especially in their home building, and their fans would get behind them, and all of a sudden -- bam! -- he just sucks the air out of the place. That's what Kobe was doing."

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沙克:场均27-16-3(真实命中率50%)+1盖帽/进攻效率113/防守效率99

 同意,每个在那段时间看过求的人都知道在第一枚总冠军后,科比和沙克几乎就是1B和1A之间不分上下的联系了——两者都是联盟中毫无疑问的前5的球员,彼此之间都没有“被carry”这种说法,在场上真的只是对位之间的差别罢了。科比统治在西部的季后赛,而沙克则会统治总决赛,很大原因是那时刻东部的大个子们都非常差劲。然而当人们看到沙克的3个FMVP时,在第一时刻便立刻贬低了科比在季后赛里的作用,这确实是非常羞耻的做法。

是的,这很糟,我只是希望科比在那次三连中能最少拿一个FMVP,他在对阵活塞的时刻恼怒了,并全力想要拿到一个,但是最终没有胜利。

You know I'll always upvote Kobe posts

35.8 ppg on the road at 22 years old is insane

“当科比接管比赛时,就和乔丹已经做的一模一样,”来自马刺和前公牛球员史蒂夫-科尔。“敌手总会 开头反击并打出一波热潮,特别是在他们的主场,然后球迷们就会站在他们的身后撑腰他们,然而忽然 一瞬间——Bang!——科比就仿佛抽干了球馆里一切的气氛一样,全场忽然安宁下来。这就是科比所做 的事情。”

你听到过西部决赛时,当科比和湖人在阿拉莫球馆以及斯台普斯中心把马刺按在地上摩擦时,波波维奇对此的议论吗?

他们需要彼此,并且任何一个人离开了对方都无法赢下总冠军。争论任何一个人处于更强的极端都没有意义,一切你依据的数据和事实都能够简单的被丢到窗外。任何一个理智的人都会幸免这样帖子的出现。

He basically didn't win finals MVP because Shaq had disproportionate advantages against the East teams in every finals. If you look at the stats of the match-ups leading to the finals, you'd prob give the slight edge to Kobe being the MVP

本质上科比就是马刺搞来鲍文的原因。

科比:场均33-7-7(真实命中率57%)+2抢断+1盖帽/进攻效率121/防守效率93

22岁科比01季后赛有多逆天,客场场均35.8分,若有季后赛MVP当是他?(图一)

[–]LakersChendii 105 指標 6小時前 

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantCravenmorebeer 230 指標 7小時前 

WCSF: Sacramento Kings (55-27) / 6.07 SRS / 1669 ELO

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科比拿不到FMVP的本质原因就是每次总决赛面对东部球队时,沙克都有着差距及其悬殊的错位优势。如果你看看总决赛之前对位上的数据的话,你也许会倾向于给科比MVP一些。

“这就是一整年里我都在守候他所打出的体现,”奥尼尔说道。“他一直都在得到自己的分数,并让每个人参与进来,叫战术,突破分球,在场上做正确的事情。有人说过衡量一个伟大球员的标准就是,你是否 能够让身边的人变得更好。我现在能够真正的说,科比-布莱恩特就是联盟里最好的球员。”

沙克:场均33-16-5(真实命中率58%)+3 盖帽/进攻效率115/防守效率101

沙克在面对东部孱弱的球队时便开头大杀特杀。

[–]Lakers BandwagonMiopTop 809 指標 7小時前 

 那一年15-1战绩拿下总冠军的路线在某个不常用的数据排名中,不也是最困难的路线吗?

Shaq: 37.9 points produced per game (points + assists)

[–]LakersMr_Alex19 66 指標 5小時前 

“我一直没有要求乔丹去做一个组织者,”杰克逊说道。“他是我执教过的最伟大的球员,我能够说他 就是篮球比赛历史上最伟大的球员。然而尽管如此,我一直都没有要求他去当一个组织者。我只是告诉他 当他被双人或者三人包夹时,他应该去组织一下进攻。而科比需要为我们的进攻定下基调,他阅读防守, 让队友们都打得高兴,并且他做的非常棒。科比现在已经成为一支球队中的场上领袖了,他不但单能得分,并且能够成为一名组织者,继续稳定的在关键时刻打出大心脏般的回合。科比能先进到这个他一直 以来设想的角色中对我们来说非常重要。”

科比:每场比赛能发生43.1分(得分加助攻)

Kobe: 3.8 WS, .26 WS/48, 7.3 BPM (30.4% usage rate)

“我给科比定下的标准一直都非常高,他不但仅抵达了这个标准,并且现在他已经得到了最高的水平”菲尔-杰克逊说道。“他是我执教的球员中,在整体上体现最出色的那个。”

Kobe: 29-7-6 (56% TS) + 2 SPG + 1 BPG

Kobe: 25-4-8 (57% TS) + 2 SPG / 122 ORTG / 98 DRTG

在陆续的比赛中总共砍下93分后,科比进入了和历史上最伟大关键球员——迈克尔-乔丹的比较当中。

Shaq killed the weak Eastern teams

[–][MIA] Jason WilliamsWhoopingKing 406 指標 7小時前 

Kobe: 33-7-7 (57% TS) + 2 SPG + 1 BPG / 121 ORTG / 93 DRTG

“我不敢相信科比的先进有如此之大,得分,防守,给我们大家空位投篮时机,”费舍尔说到。“我们 都依赖着他赢球。”

[–]GiveMeDog 63 指標 4小時前 

Horace Grant kept referring to Bryant asNo. 23," the number Jordan wore. It wasn't a mistake.

 天啊,并且对方都没有伤病,对吧?

"That's where I've been trying to get him all year," O'Neal said.He's been getting his points, getting everybody involved, drawing and kicking, doing the right things. Somebody once said the mark of a great player is how you make the other players around you play. I now can truly say that Kobe Bryant is the best player in this league."

Shaq: 30-15-3 (56% TS) + 2 BPG

科比:场均29-7-6(真实命中率56%)+2抢断+1盖帽

总决赛:76人(56-26)/3.64 SRS/1592 ELO

I just want to say, I hated Kobe growing up. His team dominated teams that were fun to watch and he puts up spectacular stats in amazing style. I hated him because he wasn't on a team that I liked, and everyone on the court was idolizing Kobe and A.I growing up. But as I grew up and watched Kobe at his peak, as he went on an absolute tear to devastate my Nash-led Suns team in the WCF, I appreciated his greatness. He is a truly amazing player that was so hard to guard. I rooted against him, I wanted him to lose in the finals against the Magic and Celtics--but it never happened. Kobe impressed me, then I started hearing about his work ethics and how he carries himself mentally and physically--the work he puts himself through to be at the top of the game. Really respectable. Wish he didn't go down the way he did because man, might've hurt his legacy to the younger eyes in this forum.

22岁科比01季后赛有多逆天,客场场均35.8分,若有季后赛MVP当是他?(图二)

在整个季后赛中(战绩15-1)

"I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now," Phil Jackson said.It's the best that I've seen a player of mine play with an overall court game."

科比:场均35-9-4(真实命中率59%)+1抢断+1盖帽/进攻效率120/防守效率104

Shaq: 27-13-3 (55% TS) + 1 SPG + 1 BPG / 106 ORTG / 90 DRTG

Jesus Christ and they were all healthy, weren't they?

沙克:场均27-13-3(真实命中率55%)+1抢断+1盖帽/进攻效率106/防守效率90

 2001年的湖人是我见过的最好的球队。

当时有小局部人以为科比是那支湖人里最好的球员,还有略微多一点点但是依旧是小众的看法以为沙克一个人就能三连冠,科比只是个角色球员和累赘罢了。而主要大众的看法还是说他俩可能是联盟历史上最具统治力的2人组。

Shaq's ability to just straight dominate any game/player combined with Kobe's ability to take the wind out of any team's sails and take over momentum. It's definitely the most dynamic duo to ever play.

22岁就能在客场场均35.8分太疯狂了。

Select quotes/facts from those playoffs

我们充分使用了在对位上的优势。

科比:胜利贡献值3.8,每48分钟的胜利贡献值0.26,个人胜负值为7.3(使用率30.4%)

沙克直接统治任何比赛/球员的能力加上科比穿插游走打崩敌手的能力保证了他们的胜利。这绝对是历史上最有生机的二人组。

Stats per round

The 2001 Lakers are the best team I've seen

奥尼尔说过,最令人惊叹的并不是科比得到的分数,而是他得到那些分的方式。

There's a small minority that think Kobe was the best player on that team. There's a larger but still small minority that think Shaq won the threepeat all alone and Kobe was a role player and dead weight. The majority I would say think that they were the most dynamic 1-2 punch in the league perhaps ever.

[–][CLE] Richard Jefferson2016Winner 66 指標 4小時前 

这还都没有提到在面对波波维奇和邓肯的马刺时科比砍下的超帅的37/7/7...老实讲,整个系列赛他们对科比都没有答案。

科比本质上改变了比赛的进程,并造成了横扫。邓肯能够和沙克差不多五五开,但是马刺没有任何像科比这样的球员。沙克确实是更好的球员,如果你非要说谁在carry大家的话,那会是沙克,而不是科比。但是实际上并不存在carry不carry的,科比就是个天杀的巨星。

在季后赛中,奥尼尔在主场场均砍下34分,而在客场只有23.6分,这种差异本将会成为湖人一个非常大的隐患,如果科比没有在客场如此积极的接收挑战的话。科比能够完成任何沙克留下的没有完成的任务,科比在主场场均砍下28.2分,而在客场这一数据抵达了35.8分。

Over the entire playoffs (15-1 record)

[–]Lakerssharkhuh 39 指標 6小時前 

我只想说,从小到大我都讨厌科比。他的球队统治了那些欣赏性非常高的球队,并且他以惊人的方式拿下了伟大的数据。我憎恨他是因为他一直都没有在一支我喜欢的球队过,但是每个在场上打球的人在成长进程中都会以科比和AI作为偶像。但是在我成长进程中,并见证科比巅峰时,看到他毫不留情的在西决中击败我那支纳什率领的太阳队时,我开头尊重他的伟大。他真的是个令人惊叹的球员,非常难以防守。我不撑腰他,我想看到他在总决赛里输给魔术和凯尔特人——但是这一直都没有发生过。科比给我留下了深刻的印象,之后我便听说了他的工作精神,以及他是如何在精神上和身体上严厉要求自己的——和那些他为了抵达比赛的顶峰而让自己经历的事情。完全的尊重,我希望他没有以这样的方式倒下,因为这可能会损害利升宝手机版年青人眼中关于他的遗产。

22岁科比01季后赛有多逆天,客场场均35.8分,若有季后赛MVP当是他?(图四)

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